policy, a restrained, focused realistic foreign policy, that is what we needed to do moving forward. >> rose: when you look at the foreign policy of niko's father, brzezinski, and he has written a series of books about america's role in the world today, how far from that are you? >> we have had some let's just sadie conversations on air about middle east policy. >> rose: so where is the difference? >> i think middle east probably. >> rose: he thinks we can contain iran. >> he does. >> rose: you don't believe -- >> no, i don't think we can contain iran, i have to say and i talk about middle east policy because that is the one area i disagree with him on. and i am in great agreement with him. i mean he is a tough realist, he was a cold war hawk, i got extraordinary admiration for the man. >> rose: against communism. >> oh, yes, he was -- he was a real fighter, he also showed, i thought, great character in 1979 when the iranians were pushing him hard to bring the is that back, the shah back and he said quite frankly what barack obama did not say at a critical time, during the egypt upri